Cloud Native / Kubernetes

Pancake Breakfast Podcast: OpenStack and Kubernetes are Besties Now, Really

28 Apr 2016 5:15pm, by

At The New Stack’s panel Wednesday morning at the OpenStack Summit in Austin, over 300 people ate stacks – of pancakes – while listening to a panel chew over the future of workload orchestration.

The panel, comprised of Jonathan Donaldson, vice president of Intel’s data center group, Madhura Maskasky, head of product management at OpenStack distributor Platform9, Brian ‘redbeard’ Harrington, head of infrastructure at CoreOS, and Joab Jackson, managing editor of The New Stack spoke on the importance of infrastructure interoperability. TNS founder Alex Williams moderated the panel.

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Jonathan Donaldson VP, Data Center Group & GM, Software Defined Infrastructure at Intel Corporation

Donaldson talked about Kubernetes as a great way to deploy applications like OpenStack, and that the operational benefits of the portability of containers are huge, but he also played the diplomat, asserting that Intel has a large customer base, and the company listens to their requests. There are common themes they see from their customers, like “‘How do I run my infrastructure more efficiently?’ or ‘How do I deliver that kind of service?'” Intel picks the best tool for the job in each particular case, and sometimes that case is Kubernetes, he said.

Harrington jumped in, saying that he’s had lots of private conversations about Kubernetes, but has yet to hear anyone talk about it publicly.

“Speaking for myself as a technologist and myself as an operator, Kubernetes is the answer underneath. That’s my personal opinion. And that’s because Kubernetes provides you a unified API for scheduling these units of work, regardless of where you’re running your cluster. It provides you a high degree of unification for your deployment.”

Worth noting is that Harrington’s employer, CoreOS, offers a commercially supported version of Kubernetes, called Tectonic.

The other panelists seemed unwilling to make such a bold statement, and Redbeard said that he would be happy to discuss his position on a technological level and if someone could prove to him that he was wrong based on technology, he would be happy to revise his opinion. But, for now, Kubernetes is the answer.

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In the end, said Jackson, the market will decide. “It’s good news that Kubernetes works well with OpenStack for interoperability. But ultimately I think the market will settle on two or three common configurations, and we don’t know what that will be.”

Speaking after the panel had concluded, audience member Ken Wronkiewicz from Cisco echoed Harrington’s love of Kubernetes, saying that it provides the smallest set to start with, and is very scalable, and allows the addition of more functionality according to your company’s needs.

“I have a long history of creating things that heal themselves,” Wronkiewicz said, and Kubernetes makes this easy. The high level of abstractions in Kubernetes can create levels of protection. If a server dies, functionality switches over. A self-healing system takes effort up front, but in the end, Wronkiewicz explained, “there is a velocity of improvement.”

The market is deciding.

Cisco, CoreOS and Intel are sponsors of The New Stack.

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